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Adrian Lambert's avatar

This argument isn't relevant to systems though. In systems terms, knowledge doesn’t suspend thermodynamics. Every solution has an energy and material cost, and those costs accumulate. You can't 'solve' thermodynamics - they are immutable, physical laws.

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David B.'s avatar

Thanks for this excellent survey and summary! It's nice to see the most sophisticated arguments collected in one place.

I saw the fellow complaining that he can still get food, gas, and electricity, therefore it's not collapse. Poor him! I feel the need to mention that there are places in the world where those commodities are not, indeed, available. In fact, there are places which have already been rendered uninhabitable by the ravages of global industrial civilization. A little bit of empathy and imagination can bring the truth close to you, even if it's not in your house right now.

With collegial respect: I do not share your optimism (if you can call it that) that humanity's efforts can alter the downward course of collapse. I believe we are now in a regime where the Earth's systems are acting on a scale that utterly dwarfs even our prodigious capabilities. The Earth does her cycles over hundreds of millions of years, with power commensurate to those eons. We are a funny blip, not even to be noticed in the geographic record (should there be anyone to notice us). That said, our spirits are eternal and we dance in the galaxies forever, but that's another conversation!

Thanks for this great entry!

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